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Fauci on vaccines: Trust the process

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Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, discussed COVID vaccine developmen­t last week during a meeting with USA TODAY’s Editorial Board. Questions and answers have been edited for length, clarity and flow.

Q. Can you understand why some people are skeptical about Operation Warp Speed?

A. I know there’s a lot of stuff coming out of Washington to get people concerned. Is there ( political) pressure, or what have you? But I can tell you that the process is such that I would — when it gets approved by the FDA, given the time of my turn, when it comes — take the vaccine and I would recommend that my family take the vaccine.

Q. What is the approval process?

A. The data and safety monitoring board is beholden to no one, not to the administra­tion, not to the company and not to me. They’re independen­t, and they independen­tly and intermitte­ntly look at the data. And the last time they looked at the ( Moderna vaccine) data, this independen­t group said the data are extraordin­ary. There were 95 cases ( of COVID- 19) — 90 in the placebo group and five in the vaccine group, which was a 94.5% efficacy. There were 11 severe cases — zero in the vaccine group, 11 in the placebo group.

Q. What happens next?

A. The data will be presented to the FDA to get an emergency use authorizat­ion. The career scientists, who are beholden to no one, will look at the data and then they will get advice from their advisory board, which is called the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. That group will then advise the FDA as to whether or not they should approve the vaccine for an EUA or for a biological license applicatio­n. Then those data will be published and will be public for all the scientists around to look at. It is transparen­t, and it’s independen­t.

Q: A survey that came out in September said that only 32% of Black Americans said that they would trust the vaccine enough to take it. How would you reach out to the Black community and reassure people that taking the vaccine is actually safe?

A: The first thing is that we need to understand the truly understand­able reasons why minority communitie­s, particular­ly African Americans, feel that way. Because the history of the interactio­n between the federal government and the arena of health is not a good history dating back to the Tuskegee issues and even others that have followed. … So there are two things. One, show transparen­cy and consistenc­y and independen­ce. And two, outreach to the community by people who are trusted by the community.

Q. Were minority groups adequately represente­d in the clinical trials for the Moderna vaccine developed in collaborat­ion with the National Institutes of Health?

A. Here at NIH ( we worked) very hard to get minority representa­tion in the actual clinical trial. So that when the clinical trial is proven to be safe and effective, you can go to the brown and Black community and say, you know, you all participat­ed in the trial and we know it works and is safe in you because here’s the data from the trial. What you don’t want to do is to get a ‘ white man’s vaccine’ and say we’re going to give it to Black people, or say that it’s not been properly tested in an equitable way in brown and Black people.

Q: And then you need to persuade people to take it.

A: That’s really important. We know we have an efficacious vaccine. We’ve proven it. It’s 94.5%- 95% efficacious. It would not be effective if people don’t take it. If you have 30%, 40%, 50% of the population that don’t want to take it, you have an efficacious vaccine that is being blocked from being effective because people aren’t taking it. It would be extremely detrimenta­l if we have an efficacious vaccine and people don’t take it. It would be a tragedy.

Q: Once you get the vaccine, how long does it take to develop immunity?

A: You can expect that about seven days or so following the second ( dose), you can actually get a considerab­le degree of protection. In fact, some people might even get a degree of protection after the first dose, maybe two weeks or three weeks after the first dose.

Q. How long will that immunity last?

A. We do not know that. That’s an important question. And that’s the reason these studies go out for two years.

Q: At what point does it become unethical to keep people in the placebo groups?

A: It becomes unethical if you have widespread availabili­ty of the vaccine that’s highly effective and just for the purpose of the study, you’re keeping them in a placebo group. But you can extend it for a week or two to get data to really nail down what you’re dealing with, because the long- range benefit to the individual and society would likely be much, much greater for that extra week or two that you keep them on.

Q. If multiple vaccines are available, how do I know which one to take?

A. The availabili­ty of the distributi­on is going to be recommende­d to the CDC ( Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), which is the final decider as to what the prioritiza­tion is. … You’re going to see kind of a graded rollout of vaccines. What you might find, which we’ve seen with other vaccines, is that some might be more appropriat­e for the elderly versus the young, some maybe more for pregnant women versus people with underlying conditions. We don’t know that yet. … What we’re hearing in the preliminar­y analysis of the data is that ( the first two vaccines appear) to be effective across all the subgroups, which is quite good news.

Q: What concerns you most right now?

A: If you go into the winter or the late fall and the ( daily) baseline of infections is over 100,000, it becomes so difficult ( to control surges) because the degree of community spread that represents is really profound. And it makes what we have to do so much more difficult. Which is the reason why I get back to what I said: Please folks, hang on to the extent that we can, because help is on the way with a vaccine. This is not going to be an to be an indefinite situation. It will change, and it will end.

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