INVESTING IN THE MARKETS AT AN ‘ALL-TIME HIGH’
HOW DEEP WERE THE DRAWDOWNS?
It was not that
bad as I focused on owning high-quality stocks. I have not ventured much into micro-caps or extreme low-end of market caps.
WHEN DID YOU START YOUR STOCK INVESTING JOURNEY?
I started in 2003.
WHAT'S THE MARKET-CAP SPLIT IN YOUR STOCK PORTFOLIO?
Smallcaps analysis. “It was Munger’s influence that pulled him more in the direction of quality. I also had the same focus on numbers when I started my career as an analyst. Reading more of Munger’s writings helped me appreciate the importance of a high-quality business and finding the right balance between valuations and quality,” he says.
He adds that value and growth investing should not be looked as contrasting styles, but as parameters that need to co-exist in identifying a
Large-caps
WHICH STOCKS HAVE BEEN IN YOUR HOLDING FOR THE LONGEST PERIOD?
Pidilite and Titan, I am holding these stocks from 2011.
CAN STOCK DIVIDENDS TAKE CARE OF YOUR DAILY EXPENSES?
Not really. Still at
75%-level.
WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO REACH FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE?
I plan to sell a
property, which I don't use anymore and buy equities from that. In 4-5 years, I should have dividend income to fully take care of daily expenses.
Mentally, I stopped fearing money the day I quit my job in 2011. good investment. “There is a lot of confusion between value investing and growth investing, if people were to use that differentiation. But I have learnt from Munger and Buffett and also practised in my own stock analysis—you only find value where there is growth. If the business is not going to grow in the future, if the business doesn’t have a long runway of growth, then cheap price does not mean that you should go and buy it,” Khandelwal explains.
“I am conscious of the valuations at
WHAT PROVISIONS DID YOU MAKE BEFORE QUITTING YOUR JOB?
Most of my savings were in equities. I withdrew that to pay off my home loan.
Writing books,
blogging, teaching on investing, took care of household expenses.
DO YOU HAVE A TERM LIFE COVER?
I have term life cover of ₹1.5 crore, spread across 3 policies of ₹50 lakh each with different maturities.
My insurance agent, who is also a friend, suggested this to me.
WHAT ABOUT HEALTH COVER?
So, I have an
individual health cover of ₹30 lakh. I also have a family floater of
₹20 lakh. which I am willing to buy the stock, but also highly conscious of the quality of the business. I may still pay what might appear to be expensive but that is only for very high-quality businesses,” he adds.
Life lessons: “From Munger’s writings, I have not only learnt about investing but about life as well. I have learnt about the idea of not doing what can kill me, the idea of communicating my ideas in the simplest manner, the idea of also focusing on what really makes you happy,” he says.
“Both Buffett and Munger have led long lives, well into their 90s despite certain negative traits such as eating junk food; simply because they have led their lives on their own terms. Buffett says they used to tap dance to work. I have also sort of tap danced to work for the last 13 years, which has helped me immensely,” he says.
“Munger had to deal with a lot more tragedies in his life. Early in his life, he had to go through a messy divorce, which wiped away almost all his savings. He lost his son to leukemia. A botched surgery also led to blindness in one of his eyes. In spite of all this, he has never given into selfpity. Had Munger delved into selfpity, he would not have risen to such heights,” Khandelwal points out.
Beyond stocks: Taking a leaf out of Munger’s book, Khandelwal says that he, too, does not look at stocks as a full-time activity. “As he grew older, Munger spent much of his time on things unrelated to investing or stock-picking. That’s something which I also want to do gradually. Stock-picking is still going to be a part of what I am because it is something that I have done for the last 20 years. But I have a very limited universe. I have never tried to increase my circle of competence. I don’t go to complex industries, complex businesses or complex investment strategies,” he says.
“I am going to keep 10-15 stocks. I have one mutual fund and I can go up to a maximum of three. I have term insurance and health insurance. That’s the entire personal finance I have, and I have maintained that for a few years now,” he says.
He says people should avoid becoming full-time investors. “This is not a full-time activity. The less time you give to it, the better off you are because then you are not taking action all the time and you are not focusing on stock price fluctuations and companies all the time. I don’t see myself as a full-time investor. I see myself as more of an educator, blogger and an illustrator and then an investor. Investing is what I do when I have money from all other things I do,” Khandelwal says.
Today, he has enough dividends coming from his stock holdings that can take care of 75% of his household expenses. “All household expenses may be taken care of by dividends in the next 4-5 years. I bought a house which I am not using anymore. Once I sell it, I will invest that money in equities as well,” Khandelwal says.
“I lost the fear of money the day I quit my job. Thankfully, my writing, my blog and teaching has helped run the house,” he says.
Since 1991, market reached 'all time high' 22 times
Making an “All-Time High” is a characteristic of a market in a growing economy. We often face a dilemma when investing at the “All-Time High” of a market. However, when we examine the data from 1991 to March 2024, out of a total of 33 years and 3 months, the market reached an “All-Time High” 22 times. This means the market reached an “All-Time High” approximately every 1.5 years. The most astonishing data to note is that the market has reached an “All-Time High” every calendar year for the last 8 consecutive years.
Since 1991 to March 2024, the nominal GDP has grown by approximately 12% CAGR, and the Sensex has grown by 14% CAGR. So, how does the mathematics work? Growth in nominal GDP consists of the growth of real GDP plus inflation. Therefore, if the demand for goods and services increases along with the prices of goods and services, the profitability increases for providers of these goods and services companies. This increase is eventually reflected in stock prices. And well-managed businesses grow faster than the overall economy, which is eventually reflected in the growth of Sensex. Thus, growth in nominal GDP translates into profitability, which eventually reflects in a rising stock market.
In 2000, when India was the 13th largest economy, the Sensex reached its all-time high of 5,934 points. Ten years later, when India became the 10th largest economy, the Sensex had notched 21,005. In 2020, when we were the sixth largest, the all-time high was 47,751. As of March 2024, the Sensex had leaped to 74,119.
India has just surpassed the UK to become the fifth largest economy and is expected to become the third largest by 2030, surpassing Germany and Japan. However, this journey towards the third biggest economy may be very different from the earlier jump. During this journey until 2030, India may witness noticeable growth in per capita income and hence consumption, which is the biggest component of our nominal GDP, followed by investment, government spending, and net exports. What is more important is when the economy moves beyond
and (food, clothing and shelter) to ‘eat well, look well, and live well’, which is led by so-called discretionary spending, the nominal GDP may grow at an unprecedented rate and all this will eventually be reflected in the stock market level.
It’s worth noting that the stock market doesn’t always sync with nominal GDP growth in the short term. At times, the stock market can outpace nominal GDP significantly. While nominal GDP tends to grow steadily, the stock market can occasionally surge, even by 12% in a single month. Such scenarios mark an overvalued market during extreme optimism, which can also swing to being undervalued during uncertain times. These fluctuations constitute market cycles. So, in the short run, it is sentiment like greed and fear, demand and supply that decide the market level. Over the medium to long run, it is profitability that decides the growth of the market, but over the very long term, it is India’s aspirations and dreams that decide the growth of the economy and hence the market.